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Interview: Connect 2012 - long form v1.0
Interviewer: Jitendra Darling
Interviewee: Jeff Vander Clute
Location: California United States

Question Answer
PRE-INTERVIEW
1 Describe your interest in being a change agent, i.e. working to create positive change for the greater good. How would you characterize your current activity level? (Choose one) 100% engaged

2 Describe how this compares to the activity level as a change agent that you might desire for yourself. (Choose one) Good where I am and also open to new opportunities

3 List any movements or organizations you are involved with that might be synergistic with other initiatives to create positive change. Occupy the Dream - occupythedream.org StudioOccupy - studiooccupy.org Compassionate Action Network International - compassion.is Thriving Communities - thrivingcommunities.org The Happiness Initiative - happycounts.org New Stories - newstories.org Great Transition Stories - greattransitionstories.org


4 We are creating a database of projects and initiatives to support the emergence of collaborative work via Connect 2012. Is there something you are engaged with now, or might imagine launching or being a part of, that you would like to share? If so, please briefly describe the nature of this work, including its purpose and intended results. StudioOccupy.org: Co-creative video-storytelling platform for the Occupy movement

CAN International / Compassionate cities: Occupy could start a conversation about various places becoming communities of compassion, which would include social and economic justice and which would shift the debate and answer the question of what Occupy is "for": a compassionate, fair, just society.

Thriving Communities: Empowered approach to community re-membering. Becoming undivided leads to thriving. Occupiers: "THIS is Occupy."


5 List websites you'd like to share that relate specifically to your projects (including Twitter & Facebook if you wish):
(List each website on a separate line)
http://studiooccupy.org http://compassion.is http://thrivingcommunities.org http://happycounts.org http://newstories.org http://greattransitionstories.org http://occupythedream.org


INTERVIEW
6 Q1(a): As you reflect on a time when people came together in a powerful way for positive change, choose one that stands out for you. Tell me your story about that time and any part you, your family and/or friends might have played in it [if relevant].

Coming together that activated me, late 2009 Hollyhock Summer Gathering, Based on "If you want to change the world throw a better party."

Remote location in British Columbia. Conditions ideal. About 120 social change agents from around the world.

I had just started in social change, different world for me. Exposed to something that was so refreshing.

Premise: We have 2000 days to get our act together. All the things we had to change that had to happen to make a difference: reduce carbon emissions, etc.... Felt overwhelmed at first.

After 5 days together, felt positive coming out. People I met influenced me to relocate and change direction of my life for good.

Day it ended, participated in ayauasca ceremony. Appreciating nature in its natural beauty-took me deep into consciousness, into the engine room of nature/nirvana. Got the deep interconnectedness of all life.

Gave ne a great deal of confidence and perspective. Very important to know one's self. Not about ego, it's about life.


7 Q1(b): Why this is an important story? How has it influenced you? What lessons does it offer going forward?

In committing myself to transformation, I was unwittingly inviting transformation on many levels: social transformation-surface of things

transformation is about wholeness-realize inter-connection; shamanic journey accelerant-necessary to do social transformation work; seems small in contrast to transformation of consciousness-

Life is living us- part of joy of having human experiecnce is having say in how we live; but earth is larger movement that is occurring/ moving all things

Something wants to happen that wants to happen thru leaderless movement such as occupy; realization that occupy and social change people are agents of Earth herself changing

Ask questions: move into more open relationship to movement; move into listening to what wants to happen from a deeper place

Individual makeups of people and their unconscious and conscious behavior patterns are part of a whole movement.

Currents want to be in more and more conscious relationship with what's happening

to allow ourselves to be in unknowing place

Reason for Occupy success: able tp stay in not knowing and therefore stay in a ripe condition for something new to emerge

IN ever unfolding unchanging is-ness, we don't get to hang out in anyone state forever

Change from not knowing flowing into taking action in the midst of uncertainty

What is interesting about humans-we get to press pause button to reflect. But if we pause too long, consequences can be undesirable.

What can allow us humans to recover playfulness and curiosity (do we really know what we think we know?)


8 Q2: At this time in history, what challenges do you see in the way we choose to organize ourselves politically, economically and socially? What opportunities do you see in the ways that things might be shifting, awakening and/or emerging in response to these challenges?

1. We only know certain ways of organizing ourselves based on conditioning based on hierarchy of old masculine principles (top down). Even movements that seek to transform risk recreating problem they seek to solve. Challenge: protesters recreate power structures they're

What is feminine alternative to masculine structures. Look to indigenous examples. WhAT ARE THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURES THAT EMERGE FROM FEMININE PRINCIPLES.

Challenge and opportunity are deeply connected. Alternatives may not be better than what we have now

How can we blend the best of north and south / eagle and condor / feminine and masculine / leavers and takers ; I'm interested in how eagle and condor can come together and inform one another.

Opportunity-explore feminine side; re-explore masculine to blend the two; requires consciousness work

We'll end up with another species with a new relationship to nature

Occupy Wall Street is nothing less than the evolution of a species;

Phase transition

Don't view Occupy as 99% vs 1%; recognize division lines and its artificiality

Let's reconsider if the 1% is evil; is there an honored role that they can play?

Corporations can do something really important to bring about rebalancing of our society. Walmart is sincere about its drive toward sustainablility.


9 Q3 Context: Imagine we’re a few years down the line and people like you have been hugely successful in moving us towards lasting and far-reaching changes that benefit all people and the planet as a whole. Wherever you look, there are dramatic improvements in how leaders behave and how communities interact. As you walk through your city, town or village and talk with others across your country and around the world, you see evidence of positive change spreading everywhere.

Q3(a): Describe the differences you, hear, feel, and experience in your everyday life.

Collective sigh of relief. A deep breath. A dropping away of fear and mistrust of neighbors.

Post Homeland Sec., people have shifted from knee-jerk fear response, we don't have terrorism like we do today. US isn't pissing on other countries.

Old government institutions failed, new ones based on based on participation and cooperation and much less hierarchical, musch more direct democracy. Large scale flat, regional cooperatives. Knitting together of circles based on local and bio-regional orientation and cooperation.

Indigenous: counsel and cooperative organization; modern: internet/technological means to connect

we're taking care of one another. Shifting from fear to love - based responses.

People walking down the street hugs.

More collaborative society, gift/sharing economy spreading.. Look at sharable.net; it's here right now

Huge dollar crash, realized true value and true wealth is in relationships a that are a natural part of life; valuing relationships above what relationships will get us.

Work is like a family-people take care of one another. No aspect of society that won't be greatly affected bty great work that people are doing now.

Love how new ideas are growing out of speaking these responses.


10 Q3(b): Describe the differences you see, hear, feel and experience in the way we choose to organize ourselves politically, economically and socially.

Impulse is not to protect, it's to collaborate and co-create. Hunger to collectively inquire and create a new system and intent and capacity to act on behalf of the whole. We can actually get implementable answers on behalf of whole.

Out of fear, we're more playful.

Surfing emergence so that we anticipate evolving systems, they're therefore provisional.

Where do we go from here with governance in relationship to uncertainty. What if we can stay in beginners mind so that we can remain adaptable for harmonious existence?

Hold intention to live in harmony with the Tao. Social institutions will come and go but they'll work.


11 Q3(c): What did people do early on that helped to generate such positive outcomes?

I see certain means and social forms that arre being developed that energetically aligned with this vision. International Campaign for Compassionate Cities

1. Compassion. Mandate to embody compassion.

2. Happiness Initiative is bring concept of gross national happiness. Survey to assess your happiness; mental wellbeing, community vitality, trust in local government, etc.

Light will be shown in ways in which work is needed, highlight ways in which communities are or are not doing well. Illuminate income inequality. Heal division lines.

Happiness quantified so that we can measure how we're doing.

3. Thriving communities: not to be content with anything less than well-being. What would it be like for communities to self-actualize. People do what they love, take care of one another,

My work is to create thriving communities using ICCC and Happiness Initiative.


12 Q3(d): What role did you play in making this happen?

Humble servant, scout, weaver, change agent. Working tirelessly for past 2 years. I have a mission from God. Start inquiries on what would thriving communities look like?

I've been working to create structures to of leaderful, non-hierarchical communities.

Occupy may be moving in this direction.


13 Q4(a): What skills, talents and/or resources might you have to offer in service to collaborative work that emerges via the connect 2012 initiative?

written a lot of software build online applications for social networking and collaboration for supporting movement and its evolution technology platform: Studio Occupy; tool we can offer to Connect 2012 and similar process gift for guiding and weaving the movement with itself and people 21st century organizational shamanic healer


14 Q4(b) What is the nature of this potential offer (as a paid service, barter, gift, a combination, etc.)?

everything I do is offered in spirit of gift/exchange

sometimes paid, sometimes exchange, sometimes service


15 Are you interested in developing the infrastructure of Occupy Cafe in support of this initiative or in other respects?

Feel free to ask me-advisor.


16 Are you interested in collaborating on the production of a short video or a blog post based on your stories and vision?

Yes